Off-topic effluvia and discharges
(1) By Larry Brasfield (larrybr) on 2022-12-30 08:11:27 [source]
In a mostly-on-topic thread, an issue is raised regarding "personal aspersions". I reluctantly address such issues here. (And do so here rather than there because thread hijacking is rightly frowned upon.)
First and foremost, this forum is about SQLite and related issues. It is not a place where substantial excursions into other matters are welcome or conducive to the forum's purpose.
This forum is moderated to keep it on-topic and free of advertisements and other diversions from its purpose. It is also moderated to keep it a place where people can get help with their SQLite-related problems or report bugs, and to keep its tone such that people of good will are glad to participate, as either help-seekers, contributors or readers.
Posts are often rejected in moderation for deviating from what the moderators see as consistent with the forum's purpose, including "standards"1 of tone. Certain kinds of language and verbal abuse are often enough to get a non-moderated post edited or deleted.
I speak for all the moderators (I am sure) by saying: We would prefer not to have to edit, delete, or reject posts, and we prefer tending to such needs with a light touch where possible. However, that preference is subservient to keeping the forum generally useful and pleasant.
There are a number of posts here wherein their authors have engaged in "needless" derogatory and even abusive remarks. Readers may well wonder why such remarks are tolerated. If the moderators had nothing better to do, such remarks would likely be more often excised or the offending posts blocked or removed.
For those who find occasional derogatory and abusive remarks overly offensive, I propose a perspective which may make the posts containing them more palatable. They may be considered the equivalent of a verbal tic.2 The foul remarks can be ignored, and certainly should not be taken personally. Their emission need not be regarded as wholly voluntary or deserved by the ostensible target(s). They need not be taken to mean anything more than evidence that their utterer acts under some compulsion. The best response may well be to ignore them, much as one might subtly shift upwind of somebody suffering from flatulence while still engaged in conversion with the afflicted.
The moderators are not heedless of tone issues, and do sometimes communicate with those whose contribution is valuable enough to make merely blocking them a suboptimal solution. But overlooking off-topic dreck has merit beyond saving time; think of it as a form of tolerance for the differently-abled.
- ^ I quote 'standards' because the standards are neither published nor elaborated in a manner fit for lawyer-like interpretation.
- ^ See this article on Coprolalia, a less usual manifestation of Tourette's Syndrome.
(2) By Stephan Beal (stephan) on 2022-12-30 12:55:01 in reply to 1 [link] [source]
For those who find occasional derogatory and abusive remarks overly offensive, I propose a perspective which may make the posts containing them more palatable.
To add to Larry's recommended reading, here's a document entitled Courtesy Guidelines which was initially written by Richard in the context of the Fossil SCM forum but is just as applicable here as the two forums share an operator and a handful of moderators/administrators:
https://fossil-scm.org/home/ext/decorum.md
As Larry touches on, the guidelines provide guidelines for readers as well as posters.
(3) By Gary (1codedebugger) on 2022-12-30 18:02:26 in reply to 2 [link] [source]
I hadn't read that before. I like it.
I likely ought to keep my mouth shut but found it interesting that a brief document could incorporate a number of principles taught in the Bible along with statements that remind one of Captain Barbossa in the Pirates of the Caribbean and also Kenny Rogers, with which it closes.
Captain Barbossa said something along the lines of "The code is more what you'd call guidelines than actual rules."
And Kenny Rogers, "It won't mean you're weak if you turn the other cheek. Walk away from trouble if you can."
Perhaps can be included also even the Eagles song "Get Over It." (made once they got over it after about 14 years.)
And the Apostle Paul reminded the church at Thessalonica "that ye study to be quiet, and to do your own business, and to work with your own hands, as we commanded you." I better follow that command now and be quiet.
(4) By KIT.james (kjames3411) on 2022-12-31 15:16:46 in reply to 2 [link] [source]
Unfortunately many people (including you?) disobey many of those rules (and no do not ask me to dig out examples), the first rule being quite ignored from my experience following the whole forum everyday.
People who do not believe me, it's fine :)
(5) By Stephan Beal (stephan) on 2022-12-31 15:27:47 in reply to 4 [link] [source]
Unfortunately many people (including you?) disobey many of those rules (and no do not ask me to dig out examples)
Admittedly including me, and i keep a link to that post handy as a reminder and reference from time to time.
(7.1) By KIT.james (kjames3411) on 2023-01-01 12:38:01 edited from 7.0 in reply to 5 [link] [source]
and I certainly will too :)
Happy new year
(6.1) By jose isaias cabrera (jicman) on 2022-12-31 17:02:45 edited from 6.0 in reply to 1 [link] [source]
I know you all know this, but I always have to remind myself of this: we can't see the face, the reaction, nor the intent of folks as they type. So, although I may see someone attacking me, or saying something that appears harsh, it may be just that person saying it with a soft loving voice, and the right attitude, but because I can't see face, watch the reaction, nor read the intent, I have to take it with a grain of salt (or sugar, choose your own weakness).
I remember, back in the 90's, when newsgroups used to be the "thing" I had some pretty crazy fiery chats. I am sure, that those of you my age, also did. So, as a Christian, I have to always know that my fight is not against humans... HUGS! HUGS! HUGS! :-)
LONG LIVE SQLite and HAPPY 2023!